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Chip: “This is such a depressing (but good!) episode, I’m thinking about editing in a medley into the podcast somewhere to sort of lift our spirits. You know, The Partridge Family theme, Pharrell’s ‘Happy,’ that Ren and Stimpy ‘Happy Happy Joy Joy’ song…”

Jason Snell, host and leader of The Incomparable family of podcasts and this B5AG‘s special guest: “You’re all class, Chip.”

(Note from Chip: There will be no happy medley in the podcast. Not even Bobby McFerrin’s “Don’t Worry, Be Happy.” Because my co-hosts are assassins of joy. But we had a great conversation with Jason about “Believers”!)