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From the Long Island Who convention on, well, Long Island: here’s the audio of Chip and Erika’s panel, “The Whovian Guide to Babylon 5.” Mild spoilers for the series are ahead as a roomful of Doctor Who and B5 fans compare and contrast the two series and look back on a beloved moment in time when new B5 episodes aired on random independent TV channels.

Please note that we have no explanation for why Chip and Erika look like Grumpy Cats in the above photo.